tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post1544247118577420235..comments2023-06-13T09:38:37.631-04:00Comments on Fat Girl Posing: Vegans.. I need to talk to you..Heatherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-11157295529999898312014-11-11T09:42:51.622-05:002014-11-11T09:42:51.622-05:00so.. pretty much everything in your comment was ei...so.. pretty much everything in your comment was either incorrect or problematic. firstly, you forget that almost every single vegan (all vegans are ethical vegans. that's literally the definition of veganism. if you're a "health vegan" then you're what's called a strict vegetarian) used to eat meat and other animal products. saying that meat eaters will never go vegan for ethical reasons is contradicted by the evidence that every vegan used to be a meat eater. ie, alllll those meat eaters went vegan because of compassion and ethics. there's nothing in your comment that makes any sense. <br /><br />as for health nuts being automatically fatphobic- while that's more or less true, it doesn't make it okay, it doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't fight it because it's important for people to realize that fat people can be health nuts too and that health is not solely the realm of super skinny people. <br /><br />as far as converting meat eaters- that's kind of how any ethical or social movement works.. by trying to get other people on their side. it's how it i work as a fat acceptance activist, as a feminist, as a queer woman, as an ally to people of color, etc etc. i'll tell you that as a feminist i'm not going to just politely ask that people stop oppressing me and then, if they don't, "get over it". that's not how it works (nor should it be how it works) Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-11404176609832068052014-11-03T04:32:26.789-05:002014-11-03T04:32:26.789-05:00Fat does not = unhealthy. Thin does not = healthy....Fat does not = unhealthy. Thin does not = healthy.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10195859270978914875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-28442091603257302822014-04-30T17:05:29.237-04:002014-04-30T17:05:29.237-04:00THANK YOU for this blog post. Two things irritate ...THANK YOU for this blog post. Two things irritate me, as a vegan animal lib activist who is larger about fat-shaming related to my being vegan: 1. A good amount of it comes from people (including some tactless family members who will remain unidentified) who are not vegan themselves, and presuppose that it's a weight loss program, and not a stance against the idea that other animals belong to humans, and 2. It takes the focus off the animals, and that's who veganism is really about. I didn't go vegan because I thought it would give me a supermodel figure; I went vegan because I recognize that other animals aren't here to serve human beings. I think I eat fairly healthy, now that I eat mostly home-cooked whole foods, but I wish people would stop looking at veganism through the "it's all about me" lens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-15682715024084889702013-09-18T19:51:49.001-04:002013-09-18T19:51:49.001-04:00YES!!! Thank you! I fight these things every day, ...YES!!! Thank you! I fight these things every day, constantly hearing "you're awfully fat for a vegan." Since when are vegans one size? Sad we live in such a hateful world. LadyAshleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833776169283943647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-35766822284538236962013-07-22T00:59:13.118-04:002013-07-22T00:59:13.118-04:00LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED this and shared, shared sh...LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED this and shared, shared shared it! <br />If I had a doughnut for every time I'd heard a variation on "But you're too FAT to be vegan..." Tofu Mom (AKA Tofu-n-Sprouts)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16536769929670412138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-71748689076862010112013-07-19T18:18:08.140-04:002013-07-19T18:18:08.140-04:00thanks! you're right that the majority of peop...thanks! you're right that the majority of people are considered "overweight" or "obese" (or in my case "morbidly obese") by the BMI index. We are a majority and yet we've internalized the hatred of fat people so much that we can't stand and fight. we should be demanding better treatment! Sadly internalized oppression is not something one can easily shake. so the few of us who can speak out will continue to do so and hopefully, *hopefully*, it will help change something or someone. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-83565357950934114082013-07-19T18:14:39.176-04:002013-07-19T18:14:39.176-04:00haha, you're right. diversity normalizes vegan...haha, you're right. diversity normalizes veganism. unfortunately some vegans who recognize this like to use the phrase "well there's always vegan junk food" which still creates an us/them mentality in the vegan movement. "we (skinnies) eat healthy and they (fatties) eat junk food" when really everyone eats a variety of foods! Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-76733901606307508222013-07-19T18:12:55.992-04:002013-07-19T18:12:55.992-04:00thank you for sharing it! thank you for sharing it! Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-5302400634219338952013-07-17T04:16:56.792-04:002013-07-17T04:16:56.792-04:00It not a bad thing there are fat vegans. Shows res...It not a bad thing there are fat vegans. Shows rest of world that, yes, you can still have cake! Sorry if this sounds flippant but that vegans can be overweight normalises veganism and goes someway to dispel the myth that the vegan diet is extreme and restrictive.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17579857797936385019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-91584790086677504862013-07-17T01:32:56.356-04:002013-07-17T01:32:56.356-04:00Love this post really engaging and thought-provoki...Love this post really engaging and thought-provoking. I shared it widely.Corey Wrennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04099780959084371968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-16990644766688396382013-07-14T11:54:20.814-04:002013-07-14T11:54:20.814-04:00thanks so much for your wonderful reply and great ...thanks so much for your wonderful reply and great attitude. :) it would be wonderful if we could all be as thoughtful and kind to other human beings as we are to the animals. i can't wait to read your guest blog post :) Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-74766474685977218122013-07-14T11:52:26.834-04:002013-07-14T11:52:26.834-04:00thank you so much for sharing your story. it sound...thank you so much for sharing your story. it sounds like you have wonderful children and your priorities are in the right place! i'm sorry you have to deal with ignorant crap from other veggies- it's all too common and congrats on being veg for so long! (i went veg at 14 too in a small town where no one had ever even met a vegetarian. then went vegan four years ago). also, having a 7 year old myself, I know exactly what you mean about people thinking bad things about you raising your kid veg. it's ridiculous and it's all about ignorance. thank you for being a decent veggie ;) Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-59292463715489441452013-07-14T11:46:28.189-04:002013-07-14T11:46:28.189-04:00thanks for your reply! you're right.. it's...thanks for your reply! you're right.. it's ridiculous that a majority has become oppressed and discriminated against. so much of it is because of internalized oppression. too many chubby/fat people buy into the diet myth. but being a good person is so much more important than weight. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-43702381875399586742013-07-14T11:44:28.990-04:002013-07-14T11:44:28.990-04:00great reply :) and you're absolutely right!great reply :) and you're absolutely right! Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-17060919726043968752013-07-13T19:33:47.687-04:002013-07-13T19:33:47.687-04:00Vegans should accept everyone where they are in th...Vegans should accept everyone where they are in their journey and I hope that people find as much strength in the place that is within them (Hercules for animals by going vegan in the face of discrimination and taunting) and use that same strength to channel to being who you are as you are, whatever your body size, to help animals. My weight as a vegan this past decade has gone up and down due to periods of exercise and healthy eating and periods without. Every vegan is strong for doing what they do. Let's be a positive group of accepting and kind individuals, the compassionate people we all are (regardless of outwardly misguided anger - I don't approve but I get it; I was there too) and be the movement people are excited to join. The more vegans, the less suffering. The more debate and discussion, the more truth gets out there. Be positive. Love yourselves and whenever you need someone to stand by you, I'm right here. I won't badmouth you behind your back. Thanks for writing your though-provoking and important post. I've asked the person who pointed this out to me to write a guest blog about it for me (for danielhauff.com) and we will definitely link back to here. We need to be better as a movement in a number of ways. Thanks again. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12307798199996597209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-69687677033065859032013-07-13T08:59:32.523-04:002013-07-13T08:59:32.523-04:00Hi, my name is Crystal. I am 37 years old. I stopp...Hi, my name is Crystal. I am 37 years old. I stopped eating all animal products one day after I went to a Paul McCartney concert, and he and his first wife, Linda, spoke of being veggie, animals rights, etc. I was 14. I was skinny all through high school and college. Even after my first baby in 1997 I shrank back to regular size right away. Then we had another baby in 1999. I did not shrink. Then my gallbladder was taken out that same year, and the Dr. says "we only see this in people that eat a lot of fried food and meat" and I was like "buddy, I don't eat EITHER ONE" and he looked at me like I was full of shit. (I was 24, 5 ft. 9 and 190 lbs) So, I have been big since then, and bigger even since 2007 when we had our son. I gained 70 lbs. My son was born in perfect health, 3 weeks early at just under 10lbs and 24 and 3/4 inches long. I am still big. But, other than two brain aneurysms, I am in perfect health. Is that not what matters? My kids, 15 (5 ft. 8 138 lbs, female, honor student that plays six instruments and wins math awards) 14 (5 ft 4, 120lbs) female, plays two instruments, has perfect complexion, gorgeous hair and nails (natural) and my son, just turned 6 in May, 4 ft 2 inches tall, 58 lbs, tall, and lean and excellent student, reading at a grade 2 level, plays soccer and baseball, can carry an adult conversation with no problem, dr.s are amazed at how intelligent he is) HAVE NEVER EATEN MEAT. Yet everyone always says "they don't eat meat, oh my god, you starve your kids"...well, clearly not. I have had to deal with the childrens aid society, people (in my family) call on me, they don't understand our way of life, and that is why they are ignorant. But fellow veggies discriminating is BULLSHIT. Wow. I am so disappointed. We are not supposed to put each other down. I am veggie, for 24 years, I did not just jump on the bandwagon in the last few years like so many people. I say that we are all welcome to events, we are all beautiful, because we don't eat animals. Screw the hypocrites. Its like when you go to a "Christian" church and half the congregation is outside SMOKING. Total bullshit. I would like to apologize on behalf of us DECENT veggies. Do what is in your heart, and to hell with what anyone thinks and says. I know it hurts, I face it all of the time. Stupid remarks like "oh, you must be a new vegetarian" or "oh, you must eat a lot of junk food". I do not eat chips, pop, cookies, etc. But I do make a gooooood vegan pizza and I eat a small one of those everyday. Screw it. I am healthy. Fat people can be healthy. All the best to all of you beautiful veggies! Would love for some of you to add me on FB :) Peace and Love.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04224574235011622626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-14982578025801002782013-07-12T23:08:20.510-04:002013-07-12T23:08:20.510-04:00Can I just say how much I agree with you about Dr....Can I just say how much I agree with you about Dr. McD? He "grates on my ever loving last nerve," too. Glad I am not alone.<br /><br />I am also vegan and gluten free. After four years of breastfeeding I can tell you that every time I try to cut calories, my milk supply tanks. I have to have about twenty extra pounds on me to nurse. Nursing a baby is more important than being skinny! Some people have their priorities all out of whack. Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760825200599914661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-21353008217110796642013-07-12T23:03:57.173-04:002013-07-12T23:03:57.173-04:00And just to be clear, I don't mean this as a c...And just to be clear, I don't mean this as a criticism of the blog post. I think it was an awesome post with so many good points -- I just think it's sad that we are in this state of affairs.Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760825200599914661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-77678669946752129252013-07-12T23:02:54.033-04:002013-07-12T23:02:54.033-04:00It's sad that we still have to talk about fat ...It's sad that we still have to talk about fat shaming. More people these days are fat than not fat, regardless of whether they are vegan, vegetarian, Paleo, or just eating a standard diet. So, why are the majority being shamed by the minority? If you are happy with yourself the way you are, if you care about the world and its creatures outside the little bubble of your daily life, if you're doing your best to be the person you want to be, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760825200599914661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-44177041655941659322013-07-12T21:15:19.899-04:002013-07-12T21:15:19.899-04:00Hello, I haven't read the responses to this po...Hello, I haven't read the responses to this post yet, but I read what you wrote and here's what I've gotta say. Who cares about people's weight? I sure don't. Yeah, lots of people lose weight by going to whole-foods vegan route. But even if you do not lose weight for whatever reasons, studies show that no matter what weight, vegans suffer far fewer health problems than meat eaters. So, weight aside, you're doing your body good by going vegan, not to mention the enormous environmental benefits and the invaluable benefit of living a compassionate life doing minimal harm. Whether you weight 90 pounds of 590 pounds, if you're not harming animals, I want to be your friend.FoodandLoathinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059938726316378692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-10377321711795377942013-07-12T20:51:02.159-04:002013-07-12T20:51:02.159-04:00Thank you very much. I'm going to go investiga...Thank you very much. I'm going to go investigate that book NOW. I used to be very comfortable, but got lost along the way. Looking to find a new path, enjoying suggestions for new directions. ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12457799540537323600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-81204568140369672342013-07-12T12:00:35.787-04:002013-07-12T12:00:35.787-04:00UGH, i'm so sorry you have to deal with that. ...UGH, i'm so sorry you have to deal with that. Giving diet advice is ALWAYS inappropriate but especially to a nursing mother. How ridiculous! they can't think for one second that you might be happy with your body which just brought a beautiful life into this world. thanks so much for reading and sharing. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-82690856032640464932013-07-12T11:58:39.978-04:002013-07-12T11:58:39.978-04:00you're spot on :) I may not be he vegan ideal,...you're spot on :) I may not be he vegan ideal, but I save lives. Love your attitude and I hope you never have to experience fat shaming because of your size from fellow vegans. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-85722513461842804982013-07-12T11:55:43.725-04:002013-07-12T11:55:43.725-04:00thanks so much! and welcome to veganism ;) thanks so much! and welcome to veganism ;) Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1121604867062412748.post-82000064508655332232013-07-12T11:55:10.912-04:002013-07-12T11:55:10.912-04:00thanks so much for sharing. If I may, I'd reco...thanks so much for sharing. If I may, I'd recommend reading Lessons From the FatOSphere by Kate Harding and Marianne Kirby to maybe help you feel more comfortable in your skin. it has nothing to do with veganism, but it's a fantastic fat acceptance book and it put me in recovery for my eating disorder. it's a powerful read. <br /><br />you're right.. there NEEDS to be a better way. the PETA ads are disgusting and we need to find solidarity with each other. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552288778897470208noreply@blogger.com